30×40 Shop Part 3: Tool Layout

In this video I cover what I consider characteristics of a good tool layout for workflow efficiency.
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  • Jay, coming from someone who designs trusses for a living, you cannot just remove the ceiling and leave open. Trusses require a rigid ceiling or bracing on the bottom chord of at least 10'o.c. and maybe closer depending on the lumber grades used in the trusses and loading. The previous owner may have the engineered drawings with the info on them.

    Tom McCallTom McCall10 gün önce
  • You don't want to remove those stairs for a spiral.

    Will BWill B18 gün önce
  • Looks amazing! Really appreciate the insights and thought process. I learn a lot. Best wishes.

    Joe DanceJoe Dance18 gün önce
  • Have you consider fold down stairs?

    Eason QinEason Qin24 gün önce
  • In my shop I moved my dust collector upstairs. It helped circulate the upstairs air, reduce noise, freed up ground floor space, and if I'm using my office I'm not using the dust collector. I also ran a pipe down from it to keep my dust collection bin at ground level.

    Nik ZamoraNik Zamora24 gün önce
  • Sounds like a great plan! Thanks for sharing.

    barbara kvistadbarbara kvistad25 gün önce
  • What about an attic pull down staircase, they make some nice sized ones for larger openings?

    MAZ_MTBMAZ_MTB25 gün önce
  • I'm actually very excited for your shop now! That spiral staircase idea just blew my mind.

    Francois BergevinFrancois Bergevin25 gün önce
  • I love the idea of the open loft as well and I believe it is your best bet, BUT,,, I'd speak with a few AC companies and find out if the 3-way mini split is a better way to go or a split unit like a whole house would use. I love mini-splits, but in some cases it is more efficient to go with a full blown house style AC/heat pump unit. Especially since you will be making a ton of dust in there on a very regular basis. The unit can go up in the loft and you can build a filter box with filters on many sides to combat the dust issues.. Just make sure ALL AIR is going through the filters and NOT around them... Dust is a monster killer of efficiency and one reason I don't think the mini-split is the best idea. You can't really build a good filtering system for it as you can a full blown house style AC system... And CLOSED CELL is the best to spray directly on outside walls and under roofs for many reasons.. You can do 1-2 inches of closed cell and complete the job with rockwool insulation. Best of both Worlds and rockwool is the best against fire.... Oh, one last thing, have you considered building a room outside under the roof behind the steel body box for your dust collection system?? That would move the incredible noise out of the work space....

    Steve 1961P.Steve 1961P.26 gün önce
    • Yes. If you build a room for it using an existing outside wall, you can vent that air back into your workshop. Using a filter of course!! Anytime you are pulling air out of a space you will need to be able to allow air back in from somewhere and I think filtering it back into the shop would be ideal as you would get rid of almost all of the noise from the vac system and save your hearing....

      Steve 1961P.Steve 1961P.22 gün önce
    • I researched all options. Did you consider the dust collector being outside and sucking out all of the cooled air from the building?

      Jay Bates - Woodworking VideosJay Bates - Woodworking Videos22 gün önce
  • As an architect, I’d recommend looking into “alternating tread stairs” which we often use in place of regular code stairs or ships ladders.

    Pierce AllstonPierce Allston26 gün önce
  • Do not complicate your life with the staircase removal and building, just fine like that.

    Clément CharleboisClément Charlebois26 gün önce
  • That sounds like an excellent idea I agree

    The Splintered FingerThe Splintered Finger26 gün önce
  • I think you'll have great success with the spray foam. I did that for my garage shop in the ceiling and the walls that were against the house. It lets me do woodworking at just about any hour b/c it barely makes much noise into the rest of the house (at least the main/upper floors). If you did have to carry something up to the loft in the future, could you just winch/pulley it up since the rafters are so far apart in the front part (garage door) side of the shop?

    Jonathan HoweJonathan Howe28 gün önce
  • Adding another no vote for spiral. You just know something will need to get moved down or moved up after you put that in. Better the idea to make just a normal set of treads and put at correct slope. - That being said - FIRE POLE YES! Need to get the open beams for creative storage techniques.

    scaryfriend1scaryfriend128 gün önce
  • my buddy had stairs kinda like yours and he put a 55 gal plastic drum on the end (at the top of the stairs) and made a pivot point at the top so its away from the wall a little bit and that way you can push it up out of the way or pull it down to use, you just have to mess with the right amount of water in the drum, hope that make sense

    mike hmike h28 gün önce
  • I really enjoyed your video on this. I'm in final stage of finishing my dream shop 30 x 50. I have a question for you regarding heating and cooling as I've gotten 2 estimates thus far. Both designers said the do not recommend these for wood shops because of the dust and the small filter on unit will be an issue. What is your thoughts on this? Congratulation's from ex Michigander as well.

    Kenny LakitsKenny Lakits29 gün önce
  • Liking where plan c goes, especially the idea of the spiral staircase.

    Lauren CreechLauren CreechAylar önce
  • Remember when you did your videos with 2 of you working in the same shop? Please do one with one of yourselves in a shirt and tie looking down from the loft barking orders at your other self(s) . Would be hilarious

    Matt MacInnisMatt MacInnisAylar önce
  • Jay - interesting video - looking forward to the complete shop finish.

    Roscoe WilderRoscoe WilderAylar önce
  • Been using sketchup a bunch lately as well to mockup house projects. What are you using to model the pipe for your dust collection?? Some sketchup plugin??

    Kris CarterKris CarterAylar önce
  • In addition to removing the ceiling tiles it would, if you wanted to, allow you to put the dust collection runs above the rafters giving you a flush ceiling as well. It's more of an aesthetic and open feeling than anything functional.

    Winegarden Workshop - spencerjwWinegarden Workshop - spencerjwAylar önce
  • I would not bolt anything down. My favorite videos are of your shop rearranging. Stairs should be 7” rise with 12” treads. You can vary a little but if it should be proportional. Increase the rise to 7.5” then decrease your treads to 11.5” I had had a cabinet shop for years. Always liked a layout with a short distance from standing in front of the table saw to standing at the miter saw.

    David GardnerDavid GardnerAylar önce
  • Shop is going to be way cool Jay. The options are endless in that big of a space. Enjoying watching this journey of yours. Thanks for sharing.

    ShopDustShopDustAylar önce
  • Since apparently people hate spiral stairs, you could do an "L" shaped stairway in the back right corner with a small landing after 4-5 steps so that you gain more room along the back wall. The stairs would then start facing into the room parallel with the right wall. You'd also gain a bit more floor space at the top of the stairs in the loft. Basically the top of the stairs could move to the right 5-6' assuming there's head room. That might give you more room to put the miter saw station on the back wall if that was something you were originally interested in doing.

    Around Home DIYAround Home DIYAylar önce
  • Thought about a toilet? Great video and explanation.

  • Put in a slide

    Kent JohnsonKent JohnsonAylar önce
  • Perhaps you are already aware but just a heads up. If you spray the underside of your roof deck you may need baffles to vent the underside from soffit vents to a ridge vent. I've seen it suggested many soffit vents few ridge vents, and install the baffles so that any accumulated water runs from the top of one baffle to the top of the next one down and then out to the soffit rather than between the baffles, I do believe water can make its way through even closed cell foam. Apologies not too familiar with your channel or shop I saw the Part 1 didn't see anything about your attic or your roof; if you have shingles on it and don't want to install baffles you should check or at least consider that the shingles may not be rated to be installed on a hot roof, making the roof into a hot roof might limit their lifetime. If it is a metal roof like the siding with or without a wooden deck underneath then I have no idea if it is even a concern. Regardless I think it is somethign to consider, best of luck.

    JohnLHJohnLHAylar önce
  • Put the stairs to the loft on the outside, have a small balcony, on the summer you can open the door to get fresh air, and have your coffee watching your garden... 😃👍

    RobertRobertAylar önce
  • OR HOW ABOUT A RETRACTABLE STAIRS!! trvision.net/detail/video-8QlEnVhoq4M.html

    PleasantSuprisePleasantSupriseAylar önce
  • Jay l am building the same size shop and I am adding a small 12 x 20 paint room in the back corner as you know when you are doing finishing all other work comes to a halt

    Dwayne MooreDwayne MooreAylar önce
  • Have you considered putting a staircase outside on the back of the building? This would give you more wall/floor space inside and still allow easier moving of the heavy items. You could put a door where the stairs currently land for easy access to the outside stairs.

    Dominic RichertDominic RichertAylar önce
  • Not helpful unsolicited advice: ditch the spiral stairs. Helpful unsolicited advice: get a bigger beer fridge. Enjoying the planning process Jay. Thx for sharing it with us.

    Allan CannamoreAllan CannamoreAylar önce
  • Only word of caution with the spray foam is I've heard some companies use a foam that makes people sick and then the foam must be removed by the customer. Check it out before you foam and make sure the company is spraying legit stuff.

    Joe NJoe NAylar önce
  • mock up that vent. I bet it wouldn't look bad. very pro layout. Cheers

    OhioanOhioanAylar önce
  • Spiritual staircase would be awesome!

    BReidBReidAylar önce
  • Just a suggestion, but if you think you need a closet to isolate the dust collector get a decibel meter (or maybe there's an app you can get?) and see what the sound is like outside and/or near your neighbors before you worry about a separate closet, it might just be one of those things that it's loud inside the space because the space is enclosed and/or acting like a resonance chamber but outside it might sound like someone using a shopvac in the garage. And if you find you should get a closet, think about a pocket door or a bifold door so you don't have to worry about swinging door clearance, sure it's not quite as "sealable" as a regular door but might be more than enough.. That's all the advice... I have to do something similar with rearranging my garage workspace, and my space is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY smaller it's less about work flow with me and more about "how do I even fit this in..." and I'd rather spend my thinking power on my space than yours (no offense :D)

    Mike BMike BAylar önce
  • Just a thought, but to save indoor space and keep stairs, you could do stairs outside and add a door and landing to the second floor from the backside. You would keep the ability to move larger items up and down while keeping the valuable floor space in the shop. The second floor landing would also give you an area to watch your daughter playing in the backyard while you take a break from paperwork in the office. The day may not be here yet, but it's coming quicker than you may think.

    Wooden OneWooden OneAylar önce
  • Why not build an insulated box outside for the extractor and keep all the mess from changing bags ? Etc outside. And a spiral staircase is a recipe for disaster. A possible solution would be a covered external staircase with a door into the shop on the back wall. That would do away with the spiral taking up valuable interior space.

    Darryl KennedyDarryl KennedyAylar önce
  • Jay, that point about the table saw not being the true center of the shop is a great point. When I turn my current workbench into an assembly table, I think I’ll make sure that becomes the middle of the shop, with other tools around its perimeter. That just makes sense in this (sometimes) hollow head of mine.

    Alan RAlan RAylar önce
  • Good 😃

    妃子笑妃子笑Aylar önce
  • I am a little worried that the ceiling height on the second floor is too low, it seems to me it would feel cramped. Maybe it is just something with the scale of the plans but it looks like you cannot stand upright on the second floor.

    granandergrananderAylar önce
  • Use your router as the out feed for your table saw. Also could you use the building next to your shop for the dust collector and air compressor?

    Andrew WardAndrew WardAylar önce
  • How about installing a garage elevator/lift for any heavy stuff you may need to get up/down from the loft? I know VersaLift has some options, maybe you can reach out to them.

    Janie GonzalezJanie GonzalezAylar önce
  • More unrequested advice: 1 - Stay out of the loft. Stairs will be a pain the fourteenth time you have to go back and change a drawing or get the thing you forgot. Wall in a corner for he office and seal it from dust. 2 - spread out. You are still thinking small space. Build small moveable carts to hold and move parts around as you work. Small tables to hold stuff unique to a tool like router bits spread around the shop 3 - think about a dedicated space to do finishing with good ventilation, spray booth, etc. 4 - do keep a largish space open for assembly of larger items on the floor instead of that table. If you are making an 8 ft x 8 ft armoire or bookcase, you will be glad you have that space. 5 - stair rules of thumb: riser x run = 72 to 75. Riser + run = 17”. Angle approx 30 degrees. 7” rise x 10” tread works well. 6 - do a temporary solution and work in it for a while. Don’t lock things down too soon. Have a great time in that super space!

    ArtrcbArtrcbAylar önce
  • Thanks Jay for the thoughtful analysis...one thing I couldn't help marvel at tho...at no point was there anything about how much of that space your better half wants for her stuff, kids' stuff and general household storage! In my world that would have been 9 minutes of this 18.

    Mike TaylorMike TaylorAylar önce
  • What size is "twony by twony"? (previous shop size) :)

    Radek K.Radek K.Aylar önce
  • “So much room for activities!!!” (Stepbrothers) 😂😂😂😂💪🏼💪🏼👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

    Al Schulze - WoodworXAl Schulze - WoodworXAylar önce
  • I do like this one. I'm not much for the spiral stairs.

    Allen ByarsAllen ByarsAylar önce
  • not to burst your plan C bubble but opening up that ceiling is going to create a whole lot of additional useless air space that needs to be heated and cooled and create inefficiencies, especially in the winter when hot air will rise and all you get is cold air in the floor space. The closed attic itself is an insulating factor and when insulated is way more efficient than getting rid of the ceiling and spray-foaming the roof. Key is to heat/cool as little space as possible, so personally I would keep the attic closed and vent it, +/- the attic office.

    KevNKevNAylar önce
  • My only question is where does the second bandsaw go?

    Brian PrusaBrian PrusaAylar önce
    • Anywhere

      Jay Bates - Woodworking VideosJay Bates - Woodworking VideosAylar önce
  • Jay - Having built and maintained many spiral stairs over the years - both wood and steel - no. Just no. Getting anything as large as a laundry basket up and down is too much.

    Okemos TechOkemos TechAylar önce
  • You did not ask, but .... Rethink those spiral stairs. I have banged my head on those so many times and slipped on the short section of the treads too many times. Perhaps I’m just clumsy, but I hate those things. I do like the idea of being able to see the shop from the upstairs. That’ll be super cool.

    Mike DixonMike DixonAylar önce
  • How about a compromise on the stairs. Check out Fixer Uppers in-city tiny house build. They had a "full size" set of stairs that was building one hinges and raised up to the ceiling. When needed they lowered down but when you were done the raised up. This way if you ever need the big items to be moved you have full access but when you dont, you have all of your floor space. Just a thought and I can already hear cons in my head.....oh well, thats what shops are for, constantly "improving".

    Courtney FaasCourtney FaasAylar önce
  • Very nice plan! You know what they say about plans... "No plan survives first contact with the enemy." It's been fun watching you move to your new shop. I wish nothing but the best for you and your family!!!!

    Joe FaraoneJoe FaraoneAylar önce
  • Thanks for putting out this video.

    Yusuf MasronYusuf MasronAylar önce
  • Thank you for making this video. Shop layout has always interested me. I’m constantly rearranging my own spaces for various reasons and I try to pay attention to what works and what doesn’t. I’ve always had a problem with the ‘table saw is the heart’ approach, but I could never figure out why! You’ve very elegantly described the problem, and I am impressed by your solution. I also appreciate that your final design isn’t all square. I struggle with this especially designing spaces on the computer. Just because square looks neat and orderly doesn’t mean it functions properly.

    David RoeDavid RoeAylar önce
  • From experience I know that in two or three years the two blessed little legs that have joined your family recently will appreciate the shallow run of the stairs. Leave it and wait for "daddy are you in your office". It is a beautiful sound. Also add sturdy low stair rails much sooner than you think and wall the office high enough to meet code, 36 inches I think. Ask Cremona and he will tell you I am right.

    W. David McGuinnW. David McGuinnAylar önce
  • Hey Jay let me know if you want to come to Florida and go for free with your family to Disney. I just need your help giving me your idea on how id set up my dust collection. I have a 22'x36' shop lol

    Karl RodKarl RodAylar önce
  • Spiral staircase... umm... at that point you should jut get a bigger shop, lol.

    Rick CourchaineRick CourchaineAylar önce
  • Add a fire pole!

    Richard MillerRichard MillerAylar önce
  • With an open ceiling plan like that you could easily add a gantry for cameras and lighting.

    Bill WheatonBill WheatonAylar önce
  • Make a CNC room in the corner. Turn it on, close the door, reduced noise. Bam!

    Bill WheatonBill WheatonAylar önce
  • Put the dust collection and air compressor in that out building next to your shop. And yes I would get a huge air compressor. There is a lot you can do with a high CFM compressor.

    t starrt starrAylar önce
  • Jay, Check the building code on a spiral staircase. In some states you can't have a spiral staircase as your only access to a space. A couple of reasons are the lack of ability to bring rescue equipment in or injured people out.

    Frank DomnischFrank DomnischAylar önce
  • Add a access door / dumb waiter lift on the back and hoist up any heavy items in the future. I doubt youll like spiral stairs doesnt save that much useable space. My .02

    Edad MartinEdad MartinAylar önce
  • Ive rearranged my garage shop 20 times still have 400 square feet dang it!!

    Edad MartinEdad MartinAylar önce
  • I like the reasoning you applied to the iterative process. Did you have a layout with the dust collector closet under the stairs? Seems like even a shorter run on the stairs wold leave a perfect place for the DC and a small compressor.

    Rob WagnerRob WagnerAylar önce
  • The minute you limit your ability to bring big / heavy things upstairs, you'll need to bring big / heavy things upstairs. Which would suck. But this layout looks great. The OCD in me cant take the planner/jointer /CNC / Band saw cluster at that angle tho!

    MichaelMichaelAylar önce
  • Google "Alternating tread stair". It may make an interesting build video. Just something to consider.

    ST.348ST.348Aylar önce
  • You've come so far from the shop in empty unit of apartment complex you worked at! This is amazing and thank you for sharing your journey over the years.

    Phillip MoorePhillip MooreAylar önce
30×40 Shop Part 3: Tool Layout