Looper - Can A Film Break Its Own Rules?

We've all been told that a story needs rules and after the rules are made, they can't be broken. But there's always an exception. Today I'm looking at one.
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    Tyler MoweryTyler MoweryYıl önce
    • Oh come on! this is such a cop out. this is like when religious apologists fail to defend the technicality and realism of their story and they make excuse by saying that it's all metaphorical and try to divert the critic's attention to the message instead. this results the might of their divine constantly regressing.

      Gram TGram T8 aylar önce
    • The fact that someone that likes this movie is screenwriter is outright disheartening. Someone skilled can send the same message you see in this mess of a movie and describe in the video... but written in a way that is not illogical to the point of being immersion breaking. This is the future of film writing I see. Relentless mediocrity praised by the same circle of people.

      Kaiyanwang82Kaiyanwang828 aylar önce
    • Does the Rainmaker kill Joe's wife in every timeline? That's the key.

      aerbankaerbankYıl önce
  • Is TENET a messed up dum Nolan version of 'LOOPER'?.. Sator /wife story line is a comparable copy of the movie 'Looper' with Bruce Willis / wife. 🍷😆 Heck even the idea of the Protagonist sending back a message to himself in the past is the plot of Bruce Willis going back to meet his past self.. who in turn erases the entire older Bruce time line to avert future threat by the Rain maker who is the future terrorist equivalent of Sator. NEED TO WATCH GOOD OLD LOOPER AGAIN.. I AM DONE! 😎

    Ev MEv M14 gün önce
  • Looper is a Paradox. And in Paradox there is no rule. If you change something in the past that contributes a chaos and that chaos will mess the whole scenario. So I saw Looper as a paradox movie more than a time travel movie. For me that's the logic behind looper and it satisfied me to the best.

    Karthik VikramKarthik Vikram16 gün önce
  • Your logic is flawed. He actually closes his loop at that moment whereas in the previous times he had failed. Simple

    Anurag MAnurag M17 gün önce
  • The reason I don't like talking to other people about time travel movies is the exact topic of this video. This movie isn't ABOUT time travel. But 90% of the people who watch it will think they're super smart because they "proved" time travel isn't real. No shit.

    Kevin LKevin L18 gün önce
  • It would've been a very good movie if Joe was the rain maker. 😂

    Varun CharavananVarun Charavanan28 gün önce
  • There's only one reason why I like this movie. A vehicle from gta online is here

    A S C E N D E D D R I P T A R OA S C E N D E D D R I P T A R O29 gün önce
  • The answer is No and Looper is a bad movie lol, feels like three different acts from three different movies mashed together and a hodge-podge of cool and random moments that do not gel together at all. It's the Big Lebowski of sci-fi, somehow manages to be LESS than the sum of its parts. If you want a mind-bender, try Danny Boyle's 'Trance'. If you want eerie near-future designs and settings, try Minority Report. If you want people exploiting time travel mechanics, try Primer. All of these are miles better than Looper.

    RobinRobinAylar önce
  • :) trvision.net/detail/video-u4SEDzynMiQ.html

    Laszlo LovassLaszlo LovassAylar önce
  • change my mind

    Necholas XayavongNecholas XayavongAylar önce
  • Old joe remember what young joe does because his memory keeps changing (3:03) And yes you are right on the case of rainmaker, if old joe lives his life fully being a looper in the past then at that time why did reinmaker even existed.

    Just MeJust MeAylar önce
  • I still don't fucking get it😂😂😂😂

    soapie sinssoapie sinsAylar önce
  • Is this video good, yes and no.

    Ishpreet Singh ArnejaIshpreet Singh ArnejaAylar önce
  • relaxing music for stress relief

    hoangnamcuc honguyentrung offlinehoangnamcuc honguyentrung offline2 aylar önce
  • My only question: why tf there is no immortality in future?

    Tech EinsteinTech Einstein2 aylar önce
  • star trek

    Tyson SteeleTyson Steele3 aylar önce
  • The ending of this movie made me shed a tear

    Hatchet 86Hatchet 863 aylar önce
  • praying medic

    shanthini pereirashanthini pereira3 aylar önce
  • golden state warriors

    Junk MailJunk Mail3 aylar önce
  • In other news: Terminator plot discovered to be just an overly complicated version of Naughty America's "My friend's hot mom"

    André BretonAndré Breton3 aylar önce
  • i don’t think the movie ever proposes multiple streams of time. it only proposes one stream of time that is affected by the past. even the diner scene when old joe speaks of cloudy memories, i think is just a reference to how his memory is being altered by young joe’s actions.

    Andy IsaacAndy Isaac3 aylar önce
  • I still think since old joe killed all the gat men and took the gold. How come when young joe killed himself none of the stuff old joe did didn't reverse like it never happened?

    matthew blydenmatthew blyden3 aylar önce
  • what is love

    knx andoidknx andoid3 aylar önce
  • Your way of thinking has made me enjoy this movie even more

    ReZhorwReZhorw3 aylar önce
  • And That's why I don't like time travel movies or anything related to time travel

    World Class SatanistWorld Class Satanist3 aylar önce
    • If they're ABOUT time travel there's no point. If they're about something else and time travel is part of the movie, it can work.

      Kevin LKevin L18 gün önce
  • It is my opinion that kid blue (guy with the big revolver) is the younger “Abe”. Think about it. Abe was sent back, from the future. His younger self has to be living at this time. He has to get involved with them in the future somehow, so the relationship with the organization had to be when he’s younger (had to be with them awhile to be trusted, to be partly in management. But also somewhat of a screwup, hence the crappy job they gave him. In my mind, it’s really obvious! Especially the attention he gives him, & also the way he’s sorta mean with him, because it’s him, doesn’t want him to be a screwup, cause being a screwup is why he ended up with such a crappy placement in management. I’ll repeat this part again, to expound on it = in order for him to be placed in a management/boss position, he would’ve had to be trusted, had to be there from the beginning, also when he started in the beginning of this type of career, he would’ve been sorta in charge in some small way, then grew into the boss he became in the future (to then be sent back in the past by the main boss. Kid blue is sort of a leader of the fighting crew. But...... I get the feeling the director did not think of this, I think it’s just a coincidence that it all lines up. Reason why I don’t think the director thought of this is because when they (in the movie) smash kid blues hand with a hammer, Abe’s hand doesn’t change. They should’ve had Abe look at his own hand after, maybe open it and close it like it hurts from arthritis. They could’ve even had him do that periodically throughout the movie, like a tick, (even befor they smashed kid blue’s hand)

    dinoman - Jesus is Lorddinoman - Jesus is Lord4 aylar önce
  • But then again if 'Multiple timelines' does exist we can just headcanon that in the timeline we are in. Suicide deleted your future

    Marshmallow ManMarshmallow Man4 aylar önce
  • This entire movies makes no sense. Look at Seth's death.

    DoubleDOwnageDoubleDOwnage4 aylar önce
  • You lost me at Joe.

    Celestine LepchaCelestine Lepcha4 aylar önce
  • This was one of the few video essays I could actually get into. It was detailed and didn't sound pretentious. Nice job man.

    The DuderinoThe Duderino4 aylar önce
  • lou dobbs

    nguyentangam phamtamtam Vlogsnguyentangam phamtamtam Vlogs4 aylar önce
  • Wow check out that 4x4, some day Jennifer, you and I under stars up at the lake...

    Holly DeKattHolly DeKatt4 aylar önce
  • In my opinion he stops existing from that particular timeline

    Prakhar MishraPrakhar Mishra5 aylar önce
  • Time travel gives a hard time to most people. There are two models of time travel in movies: Linear (Back to the future), and circular (Twelve Monkeys). In the first, the rules are pretty much as Tyler expects them to be in this video. In the second, fate cannot be changed, and even if you think you are changing anything, it will find its way to happen despite your efforts. I think Looper has some of both.

    Amadeus RadioAmadeus Radio5 aylar önce
  • Dam, good review and summary of the movie. I thought it was awesome, despite parts of it being confusing

    Louie SmithenLouie Smithen5 aylar önce
  • What doesn't make sense is why Joe can't use telekinesis anymore

    Al ZenoAl Zeno6 aylar önce
  • Nope. You can't ignore the "holes" because the movie goes out of its way to explain its "logic" only to completely fail to follow it. This is not how suspension of disbelief works. This is lazy writing. You're just forcing a good opinion on something irredeemably bad.

    Itamar BledsoeItamar Bledsoe6 aylar önce
    • sir, this is an Applebees...

      Vinny SimmsVinny Simms6 aylar önce
  • Tomar no cu mermão falou falou e ainda falou merda

    Astronauta VerdadeiroAstronauta Verdadeiro6 aylar önce
  • The one and only thing that I found confusing about this movie was the fact that they had to close their own loop. Why the thirty years? Why not let them live out their lives?

    Will GroveWill Grove6 aylar önce
    • Because time travel is strictly forbidden in future. they want to vanish any possible evidence of it

      ygTreceygTrece6 aylar önce
  • what is the point of making the Emily Blunt character not the real mom?

    neversayjelloneversayjello6 aylar önce
    • She was the real mom.

      Kevin LKevin L18 gün önce
  • I think Rian Johnson himself said in the lines of that he wanted to tell a story of characters facing conflicts derived from time travel, but not neccesarily based on it. When old Joe expressed disinterest in telling its mechanism or "the rules", it's like a telling to not place much mind in it.

    Peter FrankPeter Frank6 aylar önce
  • How the hell sarah knows about the loopers? It's hard to kill some one in the future and so they send them back in time,then loopers kill them in the past. But... When the mobster came to close the loop of Joe they just kill his wife(that Asian Lady).just like that.and this doesn't make any sense.

    The NEW OneThe NEW One6 aylar önce
  • "Ignorance is bliss." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gray

    JZ's Best FriendJZ's Best Friend7 aylar önce
  • I decided to watch this for clarity... But now I'm more confused...oh well that's time travel

    Bouzo LastnameBouzo Lastname7 aylar önce
  • I always considered it to be the grandfather paradox. Old joe was created, old joe went back in time to change the future, henceforth old joe couldn't have been created, henceforth old joe couldn't have gone back to change the future, henceforth old joe is created. And so on. After an what could have been endless loops the fabric of time said no more and needed to correct the paradox so it showed young joe what would happen so he could kill himself and end the loop. Hence why the movie is called Looper. Its a paradoxical time loop

    Kayla WilleyKayla Willey7 aylar önce
  • I have a thought... Joe actually helped the kid like his mom and made him good if he hadn’t met him he would probably kill his mom and closes the loops in the future so it kinda does make sense... all this is debatable nothing is for sure but in some way the movie does make sense when you think deeper

    K 99K 997 aylar önce
  • I really think this movie should have been a two parter story. The first movie would revolve around young Joe after he closes his loop, we see his 30 years in Shanghai, about 3/4 of the way through the movie we get introduced to old Joe, movie ends with him getting zapped into the past, old Joe and young Joe have the stare down, roll credits. Then the second movie would be what we have, just with less flashbacks and flesh everything out a little more. Then if they wanted to do a trilogy, the third movie could be the new timeline and we see what happens to the kid and if Joe managed to change the overall outcome.

    Taylor WachachaTaylor Wachacha7 aylar önce
  • regardless of how old Joe's timeline will still kill him in 30 years because there's no possible way for that timeline to exist without doing so - the fact that the rainmaker doesn't exist anymore is what enables that timeline to happen in the first place. The main difference between the two is that when he leaves to complete the loop - no one will kill his wife.

    Sammiekay 055Sammiekay 0557 aylar önce
  • i dont think old joe makes the rainmaker, i think in a different world something else happens to the mum and he turns bad. I.e she says the farm is getting more dangerous and she is vulnerable. Her moving away with the money secures a better life for Cid. Therefore he won't turn bad.

    Adam SorrellAdam Sorrell7 aylar önce
  • There is much theories about time , when we watch time travel movies or animes each one of them depends on one of these theories , this movies was actually believing that each person keep being connected to its past self and can have his memories or path changed if his past self changes ( similar theory in back to the futur ) , but we can see some other ones who believe that each point of time holds a distinct person , ( for example even if Jo killed himself his futur self wont be affected because he already had his path ( he is a distinct point )) , there is also another theory that we see ( like on attack on titan manga ) which says that each point of time holds a distinct person , but the causal loop will be never be broken ( for example Jo will kill his futur self everytime and this thing will never be changed and keep happening in a loop )

    Mohamed KaramMohamed Karam7 aylar önce
  • Why does what's his name look so different. Watch The Dark Knight rises and you'll see a big difference. Hard loving? Drugs?

    fkalffkalf7 aylar önce
  • Im just here to know why she touched his hairs (lightly rubbed )when joe died . ( because thats what her mother used to do as told earlier in the movie when joe was a naked girl with small tities (he told that girl that his mother used to do it ) )

    THE COLLECTIVETHE COLLECTIVE7 aylar önce
  • Wise explaination

    etc ariefetc arief7 aylar önce
  • 1. Question. Can the person who invented time machine travel back in time and just make another time machine? (because he obviously knows how to make one) 2. Is it possible to travel to future? (Talking about the movie of course )

    AndroxusAndroxus7 aylar önce
  • Can someone tell me what I need to know about this movie. I was supposed to watch this movie and now my client is asking if I liked it but still haven’t watched it

    CkayCkay7 aylar önce
    • Too little too late

      JRussoJRusso7 aylar önce
  • I guess yu dont have the capability to think beyond this.... Actually it makes sense ... But i can't really put it through with words ....its just multiple timelines are dependent upon each other.. lets see if yu could understand this... The single time line gets splitted into two time lines where in one of which the young joe kills his older self and on the other line he doesn't kill his older self.... So until that point the time line hasn't been splitted.....so once when he comes back to that exact point.. they both are currently in a third time line which is newly created when he comes back and makes changes from that exact point of the time line where the previously split up two time lines are....... . Got it??..

    Dinesh GunasekaranDinesh Gunasekaran7 aylar önce
  • I think because if the ending.. The entire movie stopped being a never ending paradox... What a movie,though😍😍😍

    g. madhang. madhan8 aylar önce
  • I looped back 8 years to watch the movie on opening night.

    PowerOf OnePowerOf One8 aylar önce
  • Hey it's goes the same with predestination...

    Shanmukha VardhanShanmukha Vardhan8 aylar önce
  • sometimes I feel like people don't listen to character dialogue and how they are tryna convey a scene and explain their world....he explained it perfectly in the dinner...but YOUR idea of time travel didn't match up so it has a plot hole😆

    cerabetaZ MarcicerabetaZ Marci8 aylar önce
    • 🍷😆 Totally True..

      Ev MEv M14 gün önce
  • What anoys me the most is that it's not possible for old Joe to escape. Regardless of the films story, nothing changes, it's a circle that goes around and around again, their is nothing that happens in this movie that should allow old Joe to escape and return to the past

    Davis SpackerDavis Spacker8 aylar önce
  • *If Star Wars' laws now state that anyone can be a Jedi, don't need any training in order to go up against a well trained Dark Jedi and that ships can just hyperspace through other ships or anything they want.... Looper really isn't so bad....*

    Undercover MercuryUndercover Mercury8 aylar önce
    • This video is literally about breaking the established rules of a movie. **COUGH** the last jedi **COUGH**

      MrMalchoreMrMalchoreAylar önce
  • that's it I'm just watching the movie

    belka tesfjgvbelka tesfjgv8 aylar önce
  • Simpler explanation: it's a movie written by arrogant dumb people that think that are intelligent for arrogant dumb people that consider themselves smart. Shooting this movie and appreciating it is just a ... loop of Dunning-Kruger.

    Kaiyanwang82Kaiyanwang828 aylar önce
  • Well stated. Revisit this movie please.

    Billy LewisBilly Lewis8 aylar önce
  • One could argue that "old Joe" did not infact exist untill he showed up in the past. We saw in the original timeline that "Old Joe" remembered, his older self showed up bound and gagged, like eveyrone else had. I mean the movie shows us another looper who comes back and is not killed by his younger self and later is seen loosing fingers, limbs, tounge etc because the others are torturing the younger version but say that that did not kill him in order to not "mess things up". If they tortured him to the point where he can barley walk, how would he have been able to show up back in time and be able to run away? I think the "future" versions are just just temperal dublicates from a "what if" future that are, on a fundamental level, connected to what happens to the younger version Short version: It doesn't make any sense. But it's still a cool movie!

    Alexander IngetAlexander Inget8 aylar önce
    • You can make a story about anything and however you want it when it comes to time travel and will never make sense

      Adri AlvarezAdri Alvarez7 aylar önce
  • I just wrote a whole paper about this, and what you guys said is exactly what i talked about

    prodandmullenprodandmullen8 aylar önce
  • Sorry buddy but the complexity of the story kills this movie. A bit like mission impossible, it's an impossible mission to understand.

    Bernard Guy NunnsBernard Guy Nunns8 aylar önce
  • Old Joe explains it. With: Time travel doesn't make sense and trying to explain it would see him being there all day with diagrams. So that was easy enough for me. Forget the paradox's and plot holes. Enjoy the story.

    HorusHeresy1982HorusHeresy19829 aylar önce
  • How about the fact that mob killed Joe's wife in the futhure where it is not allowed to kill people? They broke the main rule, that could've been solved by sending his wife to the past also.

    Victor CVictor C9 aylar önce
Looper - Can A Film Break Its Own Rules?