The Time Futurama Broke Itself

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Futurama is one of the greatest animated shows of all time. Bender, Fry and the rest of this universe may also be a great example of what can go wrong with one of modern medias most talked about trends, the retcon. While the best Futurama episodes all stand the test of time, one was changed, and not for the better. If you know anything about a waiting dog, you might be one step ahead. Sometimes the best media can magnify what works and what doesn't within a medium, Futurama is one of those pieces of media.

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  • Futurama is my favorite show. What’s yours? Link to the brand new Patreon: www.patreon.com/nerdstalgicyt ALSO: You could argue that BBS creates an alternate universe/timeline in which a different seymour is saved of his fate. That’s fair! I still feel a bit cheated by BBS but that is a good counter point. However, this is a video that uses Futurama as a conduit for an altogether different discussion about media. So maybe I can dive into time travel in media in a different vid!

    NerdstalgicNerdstalgicAylar önce
    • definitely one of my favorite animated shows. I thought I saw a phrenology degree in there though. does that really count? 🤔😁

      Otaku_McLovin420 *Otaku_McLovin420 *3 gün önce
    • Love Family Guy. Closely followed by Rick & Morty and than American Dad. You _could_ say... Imma _toonie_ kinda lady. 😂😂😂

      DigitalhunnyDigitalhunny3 gün önce
    • Gravity Falls

      Rogue CHlNCHlLLARogue CHlNCHlLLA4 gün önce
    • It is the Winx Club. In season 3 the girls have to deal with a very tough foe who has a piece of the same power as one of the girls. in episode 13 which is called One Last fluttering of Wings. one of the characters seems to die. the episode after #14 Fury Most of the main characters decide to act on revenge. all but one. it gets to the point where the most powerful one is actually trying to get revenge. but with a timed intervention by the teachers she doesn't succeed. It also Forces the Headmistress of the school to make a decision. She sends the unstable one to a place where dark thoughts brings death or focus on survival. The episode is made a lot more dramatic by a prefect cliffhanger. no show has ever measured up. just watch the Rai English version

      eddog6666eddog66664 gün önce
    • @Murilo T. C. yes!

      Steven WilsonSteven Wilson6 gün önce
  • I’ve got a tattoo of Seymour lying on the curb on my arm...I’m a fan lol

    MrJHateMrJHate22 dakika önce
  • The big thing to remeber is futurama works in a converging timeline concept. There are plenty of examples of them going to the past and changing things. Even to the specifics like the diffrence between scooty puff jr. and sr. So the fact that a fry lived in the past doesnt change the fact that a Seymour lived 12 years waiting for our main primary fry.

    NoESanityNoESanity2 saatler önce
  • honestly when RETCON is done bad, it means that it takes away from the meaning. good RETCON can change the tone and implications of the story and adds to world. plot twists are a classic form of RETCON.

    C1ips0 OfficialC1ips0 Official4 saatler önce
  • That kind of shit with dogs puts me in the verge if tears.

    DJRonnieGDJRonnieG6 saatler önce
  • My favorite aspect of the show was Fry's undying devotion to Leela. That's why I thought the finale was so great.

    Gary Stump SrGary Stump Sr9 saatler önce
  • The video where Nerdstalgic doesn't want a dog to live a happy life.

    TarvocTarvoc11 saatler önce
  • Berkeley does not give degrees in parapsychology. Phrenology never had a single college class, and has been proven false dozens of times. The other degrees just say "Degree" or "Master's in science". If you had any clue about the staff having actual degrees, you could at least produce a single example. Instead your graphic shows anti-science.

    Sun HatSun HatGün önce
  • Because you promoted phrenology as a science, I have flagged you as: violent or repulsive, personal attacks (because I am not an inbred royal), and for spam or misleading. Yeah, your stupid joke violated at least 3 of TRvision's conditions.

    Sun HatSun HatGün önce
    • I knew you Phrenologists would end up in this comment section. Please stop pushing Phrenology onto my viewers. I will you report, because I am an inbred royal, for your prenological beliefs. It’s sick and you should be ashamed.

      NerdstalgicNerdstalgic10 saatler önce
  • I don't really see why saving that dog from over a decade of loneliness and heartbreak is a bad thing. That sounds like a good retcon to me. I mean, I'm not sentimental enough to have considered Jurassic Bark the saddest thing ever as so many others seem to, but if that's how you felt, having it retconned should surely have come as a _relief,_ right? One might look at it as more of a _plot twist,_ where something you found depressing gets turned around and made hopeful and heartwarming. Time travel stories actually do this all the time, just not typically in this format. At any rate, I don't quite get why so many people seem to value narratives that make them sad higher than ones that make them happy.

    FervidorFervidorGün önce
  • Alternate Timelines my Friend, the moment that Fry decided to go back, it both happens and doesn't happen. Seymour both was abandoned and lived with Fry, you seem to not be a Sci-Fi fan.

    Jake RinkerJake RinkerGün önce
  • "it is one of the emotionally impactful pieces of animation you'll ever see". I guess if you've never watched one of 10s of thousands of Japanese animations in your entire life this is true. If your knowledge of animation pertains only to say....what is on modern western cartoons and your comparing it with the likes of The Simpsons and South park?

    WitlessMeanWitlessMeanGün önce
  • I don't think it changes it all that much; in the end, Fry still leaves his dog dead, and he's still leaving the dog dead due to a misunderstanding. Seymore never moved on, in either timeline; in both he was still Fry's dog, and in both, Fry leave's him dead, because he mistakenly thought that he'd moved on.

    Damien King-AcevedoDamien King-AcevedoGün önce
  • Actually is it really a retcon? Those two episodes actually go very well with the many words theory, Fry being frozen created a quantum event in where the universe would have split allowing both outcomes to happen. So Seymour is both happy and sad and all Futurama did was add to the Schrödinger’s cat experiment where until it is observed both lines happen, and once observed the possible outcomes collapse to the out come we observed, we just got to see both ( with an added timey whimey nonsense in there too lol ).

    br1ght3std4ybr1ght3std4yGün önce
  • I wouldn't really say that this was a particularly bad retcon, it was just a means of telling an alternate story. If you go back and watch the series from beginning to end and get to Jurassic Bark, it hits you just as hard every time. I've watched the series from beginning to end in marathon form, 5 times. Even the clip out of context with the closing music to the episode still makes me tear up nearly 20 years later.

    Dennis EvansDennis EvansGün önce
  • No, I disagree. Seymour's fate hurt so very badly from the first time around that it was like healing our souls to have Fry come home. It's like they actually took us to a real farm where everyone's first dog is in fact happily chasing rabbits in the sunshine.

    John La DukeJohn La DukeGün önce
  • "It removes the impact" It doesn't change the effect the episode had when you first watched it though. Also is a retcon involving time travel the same as a regular retcon? I feel like it kinda gets a pass.

    almost7891almost78912 gün önce
  • This is only a retcon if it was in the same (and not a parallel) universe.

    Jaime LeogárdoJaime Leogárdo2 gün önce
  • 4:30 "emotionally impactful" me, through tears: "Thats an understatement"

    The Famous HackerThe Famous Hacker2 gün önce
  • I will name my dog Seymour in honor of this fallen hero.

    sebastiansebastian2 gün önce
  • How was it a retcon? Who said Fry went back in time in the same timeline that we know? He could've just gone to a different timeline but it just so happened the fabric of space time linked all of those timelines. I don't think this video quite understand how time travel works.

    ThomasThomas2 gün önce
  • It's only retconning if you assume that time travel is deterministic. Like the series DARK.

    Can we get 1000 Subscribers with no Videos???Can we get 1000 Subscribers with no Videos???2 gün önce
  • Futurama is my favorite show still, the story line hits so hard

    Kyle KloeppingKyle Kloepping2 gün önce
  • most of the remakes i don't watch because they change them purely on political grounds to appease the politics of today including characters which exist without story. ghost busters rather then taking the golden opportunity to pass the torch from the old characters to the new one's they wrote it in such a way to just shoe horn it in. all remade series and modern iteration of past media i watched i can state with certainty only ruin it by not making original story or reason for existence and just appealing the new with the facade of the old.

    pollard1997pollard19972 gün önce
  • I feel like there is a simple solution, when dealing with time travel, you can not just jump back and forth between eras. If you jump between time, new realities are created behind you like a spider web so one could imagine that the old fry created a new reality when jumping to the future leaving his timelines reality behind. Simply a theory because there is no way to prove time travel but this is what I always figured.

    Zachary WilliamsZachary Williams2 gün önce
  • the fact that semore's dog stayed outside a shop for 12 years actually might be a reference to Hachi a dog who waited outside a train station for his master for 12 years after he died.

    Olivia drinkwineOlivia drinkwine3 gün önce
  • People mentioning Fry going back in time only messing about with Seymour's timeline. What about his family? His mother longed for him when he was gone. His own mother even had a trans temporal psychic dream which she shared with Fry. Francis named his son after his brother to live the life that he shouldve lived before vanishing.

    wanderingbufoonwanderingbufoon3 gün önce
  • The biggest retcon to me in futurama is my tears. It was suppose to make me laugh, but instead you get the feels.

    wanderingbufoonwanderingbufoon3 gün önce
  • This could be fixed with parallel universes.

    mmartinisgreatmmartinisgreat3 gün önce
  • Even knowing that overall Seymour lives a happy full life alongside Fry, it doesn't diminish the amount of emotional power Jurassic Bark carried. My girlfriend and I have re-watched Futurama easily 6 times, but Jurassic Bark always hits hard, thats good writing, even when you know it ends well, for the time being in hurts.

    Nikolai JNikolai J3 gün önce
  • Best cartoon of all time, any other runners? Don’t hit me with rick and morty, season 3&4 took that show out of the running

    Mason SommersMason Sommers3 gün önce
  • you're looking at it like "oh we now know that 5 years from now, it's gonna be all right, so it loses its impact" but the viewers aren't "supposed" to know that, if they are watching the episodes in order, like they should, then they will see jurassic bark first, feel the impact, then later, they will see bender's big score.

    IcedFateIcedFate3 gün önce
  • Uhm no it didn‘t retcon as in „somehow explaining how the new shit fits in with the old stuff“. They just changed a detail in the past by time travel. Retcon would be an extra episode where you see how the Fry clone who lived with Seymour actually neglects him or gets lost or whatever turning the sequences in bark episode where you see Seymour desperatly waiting for Fry into something where he‘s actually waiting for the Fry clone.

    C. C. I.C. C. I.3 gün önce
  • Always found Jurassic Bark to be extremely depressing, much like its source material Hachiko. Never understood why people think it's a great story.

    jbartholjbarthol3 gün önce
  • Larz came back for Seymour

    Alexander GomesAlexander Gomes3 gün önce
  • While the episode jurassic bark is unforgettable, the epilogue of seymor just felt hamfisted and awkward. I don't mind the writers revisiting those part of their works.

    I like turtlesI like turtles3 gün önce
  • the seymor episode will never not make me ball my eyes out

    JEBEDIAH8DJEBEDIAH8D3 gün önce
  • My favorite is when fry and lela grow old stuck in a hyper existence "what do you say,go around once more?"

    G r a h a mG r a h a m3 gün önce
  • I still cry every time.

    TriadAgoneTriadAgone3 gün önce
  • That was great. Thanks.

    Chaz SearsonChaz Searson3 gün önce
  • Godfellas really messed with me that was an interesting episode

    Nikki KiloNikki Kilo3 gün önce
  • this was boring and too long, your tempo of talking is also really forced. dont strain urself.

    Z A W A R U D O T O K I W O T O M A R E !Z A W A R U D O T O K I W O T O M A R E !3 gün önce
  • Alllll hail HYPNOTOADDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

    The MongooseThe Mongoose4 gün önce
  • Jurassic Bark was also modeled after Hachiko the dog that waited at the train station for the professor that would never return.

    Anne ChoyAnne Choy4 gün önce
  • There literally is zero science in Futurama,did you even watch the show?

    Berkehan YılmazBerkehan Yılmaz4 gün önce
  • Damn i thought this was gonna be an episode on when futurama broke time

    ReZisT LustReZisT Lust4 gün önce
  • Man I thought I was subscripted to both your channels I guess I was unsubscribed somehow, I absolutely love your content it's well thought out and put together so beautifully your probably one of my favorite content creator keep up the great work man!

    SpritemanplusSpritemanplus4 gün önce
  • I enjoyed Jurassic Bark because it reminded me of the real-life story of Hachikō, the dog that (after the death of his owner) spent every day for nine years visiting the train station his owner used to commute to work, always expecting he would return.

    HanIsTheManHanIsTheMan4 gün önce
  • I can't contain the feels

    Morse Code StuttersMorse Code Stutters4 gün önce
  • I had an amazing dog for approximately a year and a half and sadly I lost her over a year ago. Even though I have a new dog I still can't get over my old dog, it might have to do with the the fact that she was was really good and always whimpered when I came home.

    thelightningwavethelightningwave4 gün önce
  • No no no no no. Thumbs down. Jurassic Bark is a least favorite most unwatched epidsode. That's why they joked with one opening credit "Not the dog episode". They retconned it literally for their fans and we love and accept the erasing of such a terrible decision to give that dog a sad life. Screw this channel.

    Nick SNick S4 gün önce
  • No it doesnt remove the meaning because still happened simply in anothr timeline... fry went backbin time and thereby made another timeline where everything in that episode happened

    Aksel SmithAksel Smith4 gün önce
  • didn't fry go on a long trip to get leelu back from the arctic and only just got back before his dog gets fossilized? That could explain why he was looking for fry in front of panucci's all depressed like.

    EragonaryaEragonarya4 gün önce
  • Come on dude. You’re making me cry at breakfast. RIP Seymour Ps how is split opposites compared to this? Somehow I feel theyre similar on many levels.

    cyriliocyrilio4 gün önce
  • Wait, wait, wait... At 1:47... a "Doctorate Degree in Phrenology?" What, wasn't there one for astrology?

    Darque1137Darque11374 gün önce
  • Oh you mean retcon 40k cough cough sry I meant Warhammer 40k

    GhostGhost4 gün önce
  • It doesn't change or undermine anything. It is a separate timeline. Seymour both died alone waiting for Fry and knew Fry in the timeline in which he stayed.

    SeraphimSiNSeraphimSiN4 gün önce
  • Time travel creates new realities.... how did this get forgotten?

    BunskygoesrawrBunskygoesrawr4 gün önce
  • one of these on the venture bros would be cool

    GOOBERz777GOOBERz7774 gün önce
  • Just remembering the song that played during the credits gets me choked up. Yes brilliant writing and a legendary piece of animated storytelling. But also FUCK THAT EPISODE FOREVER. "I will wait...for yooouuu" 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

    MrStrangeSensationMrStrangeSensation4 gün önce
  • Doesn't come close to ATLA

    VelldogVelldog5 gün önce
  • Wait... Aren't you that guy that does essays on videogames? The one with the too tall desk?

    Josue AlcalaJosue Alcala5 gün önce
  • Am I right in thinking that Fry is the most noble, self-sacrificial character in all TV? A good heart without a good brain still makes him the hero, whether he wants to be or not.

    Christian the PilgrimChristian the Pilgrim5 gün önce
    • In the right episodes, he’s definitely up there. “Parasites Lost” and “Time Keeps On Slippin”, for instance. Dang it now I have to watch Season 3 again 😂😂😂

      Bruce MorrisBruce Morris2 gün önce
  • I guess time makes fools of us all

    Kyle WalkerKyle Walker5 gün önce
  • How about this; by going back in time, Fry managed to split a new reality the moment he arrived in Old NY. It is fiction after all.

    Trevor HansenTrevor Hansen5 gün önce
  • well i guess it's good for me that i think jurassic bark is one of the worst episodes lol

    ShurikenofdoomShurikenofdoom5 gün önce
  • What about the retcon where we find out that Fry being frozen wasn't an accident. It was Nibbler that ordered the pizza and pushed him into that chamber.

    RialVestroRialVestro5 gün önce
  • Seymore :(

    ThomasThomas5 gün önce
  • You wanna talk about retcon and Futurama? In the episode Decision 3012, Senator Travers uses the time sphere (the one which corrects paradoxes) to travel back to 3012 and run against Nixon. However, the episode ends with Travers being erased from existence because he wins, since the future he’s from can’t exist without Nixon winning. However, if the time sphere corrects paradoxes, why would it kill Travers? Wouldn’t it correct the paradox that erased him? Also, Bender from Big Score is seen attacking the human survivors in the future, but the time sphere can only go backwards in time, not forwards. That is explicably stated in Big Score. So how did Bender (with the laser gun and glasses from Big Score) travel into the future? He couldn’t have waited because he’s still infected with the obedience virus, so it has to be the Bender during Big Score. The only way it makes sense for Travers to die is to be killed as a time duplicate, which he is once he goes back to 3012. That would make sense as to why be dies, but that’s not the reasoning given for it. That episode has always pissed me off because they use clearly established rules but then break them for seemingly no other reason than oversight.

    Eclectic AndroidEclectic Android5 gün önce
  • I still can't watch Jurassic Bark without tearing up.

    Lisa HicksLisa Hicks5 gün önce
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